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LTE in the Netherlands (and not in Germany)

Try to find Germany on the OpenSignal Charts. Hint: It’s behind Tunisia.

The #tvduell spent hours and hours on foreign policy and almost nothing on education, network and politics and other, future related topics. Germany is living in a past, basically in the 80ies. And that past is being left behind, fast.

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  1. Ralf Koch


    Comparing an almost flat country (highest mountain 377 m in Limburg, highest mountain outside Limburg 110 m) with Germany is already – creative. Bearing in mind that Germany is 9 times bigger, plus population density is only half of the Netherlands, means comparing apples with oranges.
    With way higher costs to roll out high speed internet and LTE in rural parts of the country, German provider are facing way different problems then providers in the Netherlands….

    • kris kris

      You are of course completely right. Let’s drop NL and take SE instead, okay? Larger than DE, not flat and population density lower than Germany.

      Or you scroll down and try the map:

      No, the landscape is not the reason LTE in Germany sucks.

      • Bernd Wachter

        Oh, but you can’t compare Germany with Sweden or Finland, because Germany has way higher population density, and that – in combination with the unique German landscape – breaks high speed mobile internet.

        • kris kris

          But above we just established that for example the Netherlands are easier because the population density is higher. Now Sweden and Finland don’t work, because population density is lower.

          So Germany has the population density of Doom?

          • AndreasLobinger

            I have a strange deja vu we’re discussing this regularly on your blog or google+ or both…

            1) Having the US in the top of percentages of LTE availability should ring a bell about the actual measurement method -> the US is good only in places with high user density.
            2) i installed Open Signal app and we somehow disagree about the local LTE coverage/deployment, for them the nearest site is ~15km away, while i think i’m covered here from near the train station (~500m) and the hospital (~1.5km) -> their database is not covering full DE
            3) no LTE avail doesn’t mean, you’re not connected. DE (unfortunately) has quite some 3G/HSPA coverage and due to that your operator might have better ideas to connect your traffic -> IP, even high speed is working, but no LTE
            4) yes, DE has a challenging structure – both in geographics/height profile AND user distribution which COULD be overcome by simply putting more money into the system

            And as far as i can read annual reports: No one of the german operators is really drowning in money.

            For me, literally designing systems like LTE, it’s really hard to understand, why we still stick to the ‘communication networks need to be run by private companies, subject to competition and with realisation of profit’ when in the meanwhile mobile communication gets more and more infrastructure character.

    • robin

      Kris covers it too, but…

      The first graph measures how often people are in range of 4G. Germany isn’t great there, but it’s slightly better than New Zealand (despite having a comparatively ridiculously high population density – 20 times as dense, being flatter, and having a higher GDP (though surprisingly close, to be honest – I thought Germany would be a fair bit more ahead.)) So, I mean, it’s fine because it’s better, but it should be a lot better, not just marginally so.

      The second graph measures the speed when you are on 4G. This should be largely (though not completely) independent of the first value. Here NZ is only a couple of ranks lower than NL, which isn’t too shabby really. Germany is doing really quite well in the developing country ranks.

  2. Jörg Baumgartner

    The same problem as with the electricity network – infrastructure isn’t sexy for investors, hence it remains “good enough” according to a definition made not by the customer but by the provider.

    The legislative organs are able to define “good enough” or “state of the art”. They do so in other fields like e.g. water networks.

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